Q22
Fatalists and materialists
Here is an excerpt from the Sutta Pitaka, describing a conversation between king Ajatasatru, the ruler of Magadha, and the Buddha : one occasion King Ajatasatru visited the Buddha and described what another teacher, named Makkhali Gosala, had told him :
“Though the wise should hope, by this virtue by this penance I will gain karma … and the fool should by the same means hope to gradually rid himself of his karma, neither of them can do it. Pleasure and pain, measured out as it were, cannot be altered in the course of samsara (transmigration). It can neither be lessened or increased . . . just as a ball of string will when thrown unwind to its full length, s
Solution
1. In the process of Samsara, pleasure and misery cannot be altered Makkhali Gosala informed King Ajatasatru. We can't gain anything by Karma, and we can't lose anything by not doing it.
2. Human beings are formed up of four components, according to Ajita Kesakambalin, and after they die, they are returned to the ground. After death, both stupid and intelligent people perish.
3. Fatalists thought that life is preordained and that karma has no power to alter it. He used an analogy: "Just as a ball of thread would unwind to its full length when tossed, so will idiot and wise alike take their course and put an end to the suffering.